Skip to main navigation Skip to search Skip to main content

New Bounds for the Ideal Proof System in Positive Characteristic.

  • Amik Raj Behera
  • , Nutan Limaye
  • , Varun Ramanathan
  • , Srikanth Srinivasan

Research output: Conference Article in Proceeding or Book/Report chapterArticle in proceedingsResearchpeer-review

Abstract

In this work, we prove upper and lower bounds over fields of positive characteristics for several fragments of the Ideal Proof System (IPS), an algebraic proof system introduced by Grochow and Pitassi (J. ACM 2018). Our results extend the works of Forbes, Shpilka, Tzameret, and Wigderson (Theory of Computing 2021) and also of Govindasamy, Hakoniemi, and Tzameret (FOCS 2022). These works primarily focused on proof systems over fields of characteristic 0, and we are able to extend these results to positive characteristic. The question of proving general IPS lower bounds over positive characteristic is motivated by the important question of proving AC0[p]-Frege lower bounds. This connection was observed by Grochow and Pitassi (J. ACM 2018). Additional motivation comes from recent developments in algebraic complexity theory due to Forbes (CCC 2024) who showed how to extend previous lower bounds over characteristic 0 to positive characteristic. In our work, we adapt the functional lower bound method of Forbes et al. (Theory of Computing 2021) to prove exponential-size lower bounds for various subsystems of IPS. In order to establish these size lower bounds, we first prove a tight degree lower bound for a variant of Subset Sum over positive characteristic. This forms the core of all our lower bounds. Additionally, we derive upper bounds for the instances presented above. We show that they have efficient constant-depth IPS refutations. This demonstrates that constant-depth IPS refutations are stronger than the proof systems considered above even in positive characteristic. We also show that constant-depth IPS can efficiently refute a general class of instances, namely all symmetric instances, thereby further uncovering the strength of these algebraic proofs in positive characteristic.
Original languageEnglish
Title of host publicationInternational Colloquium on Automata, Languages, and Programming
Number of pages20
PublisherSchloss Dagstuhl - Leibniz-Zentrum fuer Informatik GmbH
Publication date30 Jun 2025
Pages1-20
ISBN (Print)9783959773720
DOIs
Publication statusPublished - 30 Jun 2025
EventEATCS International Colloquium on Automata, Languages, and Programming - Denmark, Aarhus, Denmark
Duration: 8 Jul 202511 Jul 2025
Conference number: 52
https://conferences.au.dk/icalp2025

Conference

ConferenceEATCS International Colloquium on Automata, Languages, and Programming
Number52
LocationDenmark
Country/TerritoryDenmark
CityAarhus
Period08/07/202511/07/2025
Internet address
SeriesLeibniz International Proceedings in Informatics (LIPIcs)
Volume334
ISSN1868-8969

Keywords

  • Ideal Proof Systems
  • Algebraic Complexity
  • Positive Characteristic

Fingerprint

Dive into the research topics of 'New Bounds for the Ideal Proof System in Positive Characteristic.'. Together they form a unique fingerprint.

Cite this